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Madcow Rocketry U.S. Army Little John Missile - 38mm Motor Choices
Estimated Altitude Predictions (generated using RockSim)
Please click on the motor links below to find pricing and any necessary hardware for using the motors.
There are over sixty-five other 38mm diameter motors that will fit into this kit, ranging from "G" to "J" size. Because of the large number of choices, we can't list them all. See the video below for help in selecting rocket motors. Rocket motors are sold separately from the kit. If you are unsure which one to pick, start with the one recommended for the First Flight, and then another for a more impressive launch. Most motors listed in this chart are available through Apogee Components. For other motors that are not listed here, download the RockSim file to see if it will work in this rocket kit. See also Technical Publication #28 for guidance on selecting appropriate rocket engines other than those listed in this chart. If you don't already have Technical Publication #28, give us a call, and we'll be happy to let you download it free (you have to ask though).
Madcow Rocketry Little John Missile Description
I built this huge kit in my garage at home with the garage door open. The neighbors stared, open-mouthed, as they drove by. There's still a guy in a rubber tree suit with binoculars in the park across the street.
The LITTLE JOHN was a free flight artillery rocket designed to deliver the explosive power of heavy artillery. It could carry either nuclear or conventional warheads. Designed primarily for use in airborne assault operations, the highly mobile LITTLE JOHN rocket system complemented the heavier, self-propelled HONEST JOHN systems. The LITTLE JOHN reached the field in November 1961 and remained in the Army inventory until August 1969.
So, be prepared to get to know your neighbors a little better if you build one of these. You might even get the opportunity to get to know the local constabulary.
The Madcow Rocketry 4-inch (10.2 cm) diameter Little John Missile is a HPR capable model in every aspect. You'll find that it is the perfect rocket if you'd like to get your Level-1 High-Power Certification because it is very robust to handle the stresses of high power flight. And it is a simple rocket to build, so you'll be able to get ready for your certification flight in a short amount of time.
This is a tough appliance, engineered around functionality. It ain't pretty. All your friends will want to pick it up and examine it closely. But they'll be careful.
The kit comes with high power cardboard tubes, a thick-wall polyethylene-plastic nose cone with a heavy duty moulded-in attchment point for the shock cord, 1/4-inch thick plywood fins using through-the-wall attachement, a 1/2-inch wide tubular nylon shock cord, and a 36 inch diameter nylon parachute. It even comes with a flame-resistent chute protector so you don't ever need to use recovery wadding.
If there was one flaw in this rocket, it is that it does not include an engine retention system. The instructions suggest friction-fitting the motor into the rocket. We prefer something more reliable. Fortunately, the modifications are pretty easy to do. There are some suggestions on our motor retention information page. Additionally, it can easily be modified to use the Aero Pack Engine Retainers. This gives the model an extra professional-looking appearance.
All in all, this is an awesome rocket. I recommend that you get one today
What Features Make This Kit Worthy To Be In Your Fleet?
Super Strong Plastic Nose Cone - That's a full-sized spray paint can in the photo, to give you an idea of the scale. Made from polyethylene plastic, this heavy-wall nose cone can really stand up to any amount of abuse you might give it. The 16.5 inch exposed length is just one feature. It has raised ribs on the shoulder that can be sanded down to give you a perfect fit into the body tube of the rocket.
Premium Quality Body Tubes - The tubes in this kit are thick-wall for extra strength. They'll easily handle the high thrust of big motors. The surface is slick and smooth, which makes marking lines on them easy. Finishing is also a breeze, since the spirals are tight and require little filling. The fin slots are pre-cut and are a perfect fit for the plywood fins.
1/4-inch Thick Plywood fins - No whimpy lite-ply in this kit; these fins are made from 5-layer thick, high-density, premium plywood. You'll never break these babies, and you won't have to worry about fin flutter on high-speed flights. Plus, they are laser cut. This makes them perfectly uniform, and saves you the time of doing the stack-sanding yourself.
Through-the-Wall Fin Mounting - Tabs on the base of the fins are slipped through slots in the body tube and mount directly to the engine mount tube. This makes the fins extra strong.
38mm Engine Mount Tubes - This rocket is designed to handle high-power size engines, like the G through J size rocket motors.You can fly the Little John on 29mm G motors, but you'll need an optional 29-38mm adaptor.
Plywood Centering Rings - Like the fins, the 1/4" thick plywood used on the rings is 5-ply to make them extra strong. The rear centering ring epoxies to the fin tabs, which results in an incredibly strong fincan.
Glossy vinyl decals - The laser-cut decals are pressure-sensitive stickers that are ready to apply. They come with tape backing on both sides of the letters. You peel off one side, slap it down in the right position on the rocket, and then peel up the other side. There is no glossy plastic that hangs over the edges of the lettering to distract from the appearance of the rocket. The plastic is black, so if you want white lettering like we did, you can spray the rocket white first, let it dry, and use the vinyl lettering as a mask.
Tubular Nylon®Shock Cord - The extra long 9/16" wide shock cord is designed for high power rockets like this Little John Missile. You attach it to the heavy-duty screw eye on the forward engine mount centering ring.
Rail Buttons. With a kit this big, you don't launch from a rod. You use a long extruded aluminum rail. The Delrin-plastic rail buttons are included with the kit and fit the standard size rail launchers used by many clubs throughout the country. The rail buttons screw through the body into the plywood motor mount centering rings, which is an elegant engineering touch.
Solid steel recovery system mount. This beefy eyebold fastens through a laser-cut hole in the forward engine mount centering ring.
Nylon® cloth parachutes - You'll receive a 36-inch diameter chute built for high power size rockets. The parachute is fiercly protected by a 12x12 inch Nomex® chute protector.
What Makes This a Skill Level 3 Rocket?
Madcow believes that if you're considering this kit, you know a few things about rockets. The kit is astonishingly simple to build, and the instructions are par for the course. So you're on your own when it comes to such minor issues as motor retention and stability.
The main reason this is a Skill Level 3 is that the instructions call for epoxy as the primary adhesive. This may be a little bit overkill, as the through-the-wall fins are nicely machined and the fit itself makes them quite strong when assemblied with wood glue.
Epoxy can be messy and cause an allergic reaction in some people. Adult supervision and nitrile gloves are recommended when working with epoxy.
This Little John Missile is a big rocket that uses heavy wall tubes. While the tubes don't make the rocket any harder to assemble, the finished rocket does require extra safety precautions when flown. Patience and aquired flying skills to know when NOT to fly are just as important as quality construction techniques.
You'll need to download the Rocksim file for this kit and use it. No nose cone weight comes with the kit, but you must add nose weight for all of the motor options. You need to determine the correct nose weight for the heaviest motor you intend to fly, and mark the center of pressure on the rocket so you'll never try to fly a motor that makes the rocket unstable. Ever see an I or J powered skywriter? It's not pretty.
Click on the above image for a larger picture of the Little John Missile on display at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. The museum piece has a different fin configuration, but it's the same cool missile.
Tools needed to assemble this rocket kit:
Pencil
Ruler
Scissors
Masking Tape
Hobby Knife
Wood Glue or 5-Minute Epoxy
To Launch This Rocket Kit, You'll Also Need:
Rocket Motors (Not included with this kit - See the motor selection above)
Launch Pad (see below for suggestions) & Launch Controller (Not included with this kit)
Related Product Questions:
Q. What launch pad should I use for this kit and other high power rockets?
A. We recommend the Gun Turret pad. With its all steel construction, and tilting head, this pad was developed specifically for people that want something that makes it easy to load and launch those oversize rockets.
Q. What launch controller can I use to ignite the motors?
We encourage you to learn the proper motor selection technique. Please watch our YouTube video that will walk you step-by-step through the process
To see how the Madcow Rocketry Little John Missile rocket looks and performs with each motor configuration, download the FREE RockSim design file (click here). This file can be opened with the FREE demo version of RockSim. Both Windows and Macintosh versions are available.
What is a RockSim Design file?
The RockSim software gives you a lot of information about the flight characteristics of this rocket: how high, how fast, where it will land, how will it react to wind, etc. The "design file" is intended to save you time. All the parameters (size, shape, weight, fin design, etc.) of this rocket have already been entered into the RockSim program, and saved as an electronic database file. You can just open it up in your copy of RockSim and start loading different rocket motors to run launch simulations. It's fun and educational to see the rocket zoom skyward, even before you built it. For more information about RockSim and to download a FREE 30-day demo version, click here.
Other Optional Accessories That Work Great With This Kit:
We've added all the big reloadable motor casings to our line-up. Plus, we've organized things to make it easier for you to pick and find the right casing for your big project.
Cesaroni (also known as CTI) is a manufacture of reloadable rocket motors. These motors are made in the standard diameters, so they will fit into your current fleet of rockets without having to do any further modifications.
Want to hold in your rocket engines securely without using tape or other unsightly methods? Then they Aero Pack retention system may be what you're looking for. There is a retainer available for all the common high power tube sizes that we carry (LOC, Blue Tube, and Fiberglass), as well as for the mid and high-power rocket kits on this web site.
Want to hold in your rocket engines securely and reduce drag at the same time? Then the Aero Pack Tailcone retention system is you're looking for. They currently come in sizes for 38mm and 54mm engines fitting body tubes with approximately 3" and 3.9" I.D.
Rail Buttons are used in place of launch lugs on larger rockets. The reason is that big rockets need a stiffer launcher so they don't sway around in breezy conditions. A launch rail is much stiffer than a circular rod, and therefore are used on big rockets so they launch safely and higher into the sky.
Used on rockets where the nose cone diameter is bigger than the rear of the rocket; and where the larger nose would prevent the rocket from being slid down on a launch rail. They allow the rail buttons to be mounted further out from the body of the rocket so that the rocket can be launched from a standard launch rail.
A deployment bag is a device to help ensure that parachute inflates properly and in the correct order. It forces the lines to completely stretch out first, and then the canopy is released so that it can properly inflate. It also minimizes the loads on the suspension lines to prevent tears, and it gives additional protection from the heat of the ejection charges. If you're doing high power rockets, you really need this extra insurance to make your project a success.
While not required, this would be a nice upgrade to most high power rockets. A shock cord protector prevents the shock cord from getting too scorched by the ejection charge.
While not required, this would be a useful addition to this kit. If you don't use a heat shield, you'll have to use disposable wadding to protect the parachute from the heat of the ejection charge. And for a large diameter kit like this, it will take a lot of disposable wadding.
While it has a 1,001 uses around the house, it works great on rockets to make super-strong fillets where the fins attach to the rocket. Better than regular epoxy because it stays in place and doesn't ooze all over the rocket. So you can get perfect fillets on all your fins, without having to do them one at a time.
See how high your rocket flew! This is the one altimeter you'll use in all your rockets because it does not require a separate payload bay. It is far more durable than any other altimeter because it is encased in ABS-plastic. It also is the first inexpensive altimeter to have a LCD screen that displays the altitude that the rocket reached during flight. Better get two, because your friends are going to steal this out of your range-box!
This 328-page book contains a gold-mine of information on building model rockets. When you get this book in your hands and start flipping through the pages, the very first thing you'll notice is that it is stuffed full of illustrations and pictures. The reason for this is that pictures is the perfect way to make complex subjects easier to understand. Even youngsters will be able to grasp the concepts in this book because of all the illustrations. Because of this, the book makes a great gift for your student that has an interest in rocketry.
The most extensive book ever written about "how to build LARGE high power rockets." Recommended for all modelers getting ready to take a jump to those bigger and more powerful rocket engines. It takes you step-by-step in the process of how to prepare for Level 1, Level 2, or Level 3 high power certification.
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